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		<title>By: Dubroy.com/blog - The future of tabbed browsing</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>Dubroy.com/blog - The future of tabbed browsing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally, in something we like to call the pincing crab-claw of good design&#8221;: see here. Boriss follows up with a great post, incorporating some of Madhava&#8217;s ideas, which discusses ways that future versions of Firefox [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tabs Want to be Seen &#171; Boriss&#8217; Blog</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Tabs Want to be Seen &#171; Boriss&#8217; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 20, 2008   I&#8217;ve been posting lately about how browsing in Firefox could be greatly enhanced with visual navigation. Last month, I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gene Culling</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Culling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say one I really dislike having &quot;Groups&quot;/&quot;Group By ...&quot; or at least the way it is implemented in Windows. Tabs solved this for web browsing but I don&#039;t know that it would work too well if you have to dig though several layers of tabs to get what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say one I really dislike having &#8220;Groups&#8221;/&#8221;Group By &#8230;&#8221; or at least the way it is implemented in Windows. Tabs solved this for web browsing but I don&#8217;t know that it would work too well if you have to dig though several layers of tabs to get what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: jboriss</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>jboriss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jigar Shah - 

It&#039;s definitely possible that some of these are left as addons.  And that&#039;s the beauty of Firefox - if you want an interaction that isn&#039;t widely popular, you can write it yourself.  However, I do think the very best interactions in addons are the kind of features that may belong in the browser itself.  Some of Firefox&#039;s best features began as popular addons, in fact - the addon community is a great way to gauge what features users want.

monk.e.boy - 

I was going to say I addressed these in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/improving-tabs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous post&lt;/a&gt;, but you posted there too.  I guess you liked the idea?  :)

Gordon P. Hemsley -

Though an important difference between tabs and your filesystem is that unless your files are images, a thumbnail of the document would not always be useful.  My thought here is that knowing what a page looks like without knowing its title may be very common in browsing more than in an OS.  This is because in browsing, tabs are often opened to be read later, so they have not been read yet but may only have been glanced at.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/05/20/tabulation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bryan&lt;/a&gt; goes more into detail about this.

Ganeshram Iyer -

Which prototype are you referring to as being potentially confusing?  Maybe the OS filesystem one?  I imagined this as being a separate window from tabs rather than taking their place on screen, so that the original tabbed system would still be visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jigar Shah &#8211; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely possible that some of these are left as addons.  And that&#8217;s the beauty of Firefox &#8211; if you want an interaction that isn&#8217;t widely popular, you can write it yourself.  However, I do think the very best interactions in addons are the kind of features that may belong in the browser itself.  Some of Firefox&#8217;s best features began as popular addons, in fact &#8211; the addon community is a great way to gauge what features users want.</p>
<p>monk.e.boy &#8211; </p>
<p>I was going to say I addressed these in a <a href="http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/improving-tabs/" rel="nofollow">previous post</a>, but you posted there too.  I guess you liked the idea?  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gordon P. Hemsley -</p>
<p>Though an important difference between tabs and your filesystem is that unless your files are images, a thumbnail of the document would not always be useful.  My thought here is that knowing what a page looks like without knowing its title may be very common in browsing more than in an OS.  This is because in browsing, tabs are often opened to be read later, so they have not been read yet but may only have been glanced at.  <a href="http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/05/20/tabulation/" rel="nofollow">Bryan</a> goes more into detail about this.</p>
<p>Ganeshram Iyer -</p>
<p>Which prototype are you referring to as being potentially confusing?  Maybe the OS filesystem one?  I imagined this as being a separate window from tabs rather than taking their place on screen, so that the original tabbed system would still be visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganeshram Iyer</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Ganeshram Iyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent stuff and mockups. But I must disagree that this is nondisruptive - while it would make sense to me, I can tell for a fact that someone like my wife or mom using Firefox with this sort of tabbed browsing would be confused as hell on where their tabs went after they opened it. Firefox is already a little confusing for both of them (aka general mass). And the blame rests not on Firefox which is actually simplifying things - making them as they should be - but on human nature that does not like too many changes to get basic work done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent stuff and mockups. But I must disagree that this is nondisruptive &#8211; while it would make sense to me, I can tell for a fact that someone like my wife or mom using Firefox with this sort of tabbed browsing would be confused as hell on where their tabs went after they opened it. Firefox is already a little confusing for both of them (aka general mass). And the blame rests not on Firefox which is actually simplifying things &#8211; making them as they should be &#8211; but on human nature that does not like too many changes to get basic work done.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon P. Hemsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon P. Hemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like all of these concepts, including those mentioned only on the wiki page, except for one: I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a good idea to change any of the navigation to mimic a desktop or OS. I personally don&#039;t like that type of navigation (I prefer all of my OSes to use lists, rather than icon thumbnails), so I think that should remain the same. However, like I said, everything else looks to be quite useful. Good thinking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like all of these concepts, including those mentioned only on the wiki page, except for one: I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good idea to change any of the navigation to mimic a desktop or OS. I personally don&#8217;t like that type of navigation (I prefer all of my OSes to use lists, rather than icon thumbnails), so I think that should remain the same. However, like I said, everything else looks to be quite useful. Good thinking!</p>
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		<title>By: monk.e.boy</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-34</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MindMaps!!

You click on a button, then all the tabs sort of float into the middle of the screen, then organise them selves into a mindmap. Grouped by tag, domain, stuff like that.

Or get rid of the tabs and just use a timeline of the pages. Let the user re-order them as they like. Drag a box round them to group them etc.

monk.e.boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MindMaps!!</p>
<p>You click on a button, then all the tabs sort of float into the middle of the screen, then organise them selves into a mindmap. Grouped by tag, domain, stuff like that.</p>
<p>Or get rid of the tabs and just use a timeline of the pages. Let the user re-order them as they like. Drag a box round them to group them etc.</p>
<p>monk.e.boy</p>
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		<title>By: Jigar Shah</title>
		<link>http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/is-visual-navigation-ahead-for-firefox/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Jigar Shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should leave these to Addon. Because simplicity will be always a winner. You might bundle addon it with FF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should leave these to Addon. Because simplicity will be always a winner. You might bundle addon it with FF.</p>
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